Post by malcolm on Oct 17, 2012 23:12:17 GMT -8
Shane raised this in 'Where's Jesus' and Loren pointed out that you cannot see in Star in the Heavens and connect it with any spot on earth:
Loren: "This kind of nonsense rears its head consistently this time of year. I do not know a single real astronomer who believes any of this stuff. All you have to do is read the Gospel accounts and then ask yourself how any natural phenomenon could possibly replicate the Bible version. It is an impossibility, so only a supernatural explanation works. The problem is that supernatural explanations are not scientific explanations. It is an act of desperation for the Christians to insert a natural occurrence for what is obviously a supernatural event. They do this because rational people do not accept the woooeeeuuu explanation, but the natural explanation is preposterous too.
Go outside on a clear night and find a star that is overhead. Now try to determine which house in your neighborhood the star is above. You cannot pick the county or the state, much less the house.
Ask your father to go outside and perform the above 2 minute experiment. If he does this, he will see the problem for himself. If he refuses to make the effort to spend 2 minutes on this, he is a wishful thinker and any evidence is of no real value to him. I suggest the latter is going to be the likely outcome, but you can find this out for yourself by proposing the experiment and observing his reaction."
My comment at the time was as follows:
"Shane, it all comes from Egypt, once again. The star is Sirius which is equated with Horus/Iosa, the Egyptian Jesus.
We now have evidence that Egyptian astronomers were watching for the heliacal rising of Sirius - refer Robert Bauval's latest book, "The Egypt Code". Each year Sirius is not visible for about 70 days and they waited for it with great excitement. The longer Sothic Cycle takes 1,460 years and when this is due, you can imagine how the priest/astronomers must have really got worked up.
In 239CE, the Roman chronologist Censorius wrote that:
"The beginnngs of these years are always reckoned from the first day of that month which is called by the Egyptians Thoth, which happened this year upon the 7th of the kalends of July [25 June]. For a hundred years ago from the present year the same fell upon the 12th of the kalends of August [21 July], on which day Canicula [Sirius] regularly rises in Egypt."
Bauval: What Censorius was saying in so many words was that a Sothic Cycle began on 21 July AD 139, when 1 Thoth of the civil calendar (I Akhet 1), which was the first day of the new year, coincided with the heliacal rising of Sirius. A quick check with Starry Night Pro.V4 confirms that this statement is correct. Sirius did rise heliacally on 21 July according to the Julian calendar in the year AD139 as witnessd from the city of Alexandria, from where the observation was most probably made, since it was the capital city of Egypt at that time and the seat of learning and calendrical time-keeping. Censorius has thus provided future chronologists with an anchorage point from which othe Sothic cycles could be determined by subtracting increments of 1,460 years starting from the year AD 139. This gives us the dates of 1321 BC, 2781 BC, 4241 BC and so forth for the start of the Sothic cycles. It follows, therefore, that the Egyptian civil calendar must have started at one of these dates."
Malcolm: Bauval then goes on at some length to show that the First Time - Zep Tepi must have been 11,451 BC.
What gets me is that the bible scribes write off astronomers and then come up with the stupid story of the star of Bethlehem. As ever, when we search for the origin of the story it is altogether different."
Loren: "This kind of nonsense rears its head consistently this time of year. I do not know a single real astronomer who believes any of this stuff. All you have to do is read the Gospel accounts and then ask yourself how any natural phenomenon could possibly replicate the Bible version. It is an impossibility, so only a supernatural explanation works. The problem is that supernatural explanations are not scientific explanations. It is an act of desperation for the Christians to insert a natural occurrence for what is obviously a supernatural event. They do this because rational people do not accept the woooeeeuuu explanation, but the natural explanation is preposterous too.
Go outside on a clear night and find a star that is overhead. Now try to determine which house in your neighborhood the star is above. You cannot pick the county or the state, much less the house.
Ask your father to go outside and perform the above 2 minute experiment. If he does this, he will see the problem for himself. If he refuses to make the effort to spend 2 minutes on this, he is a wishful thinker and any evidence is of no real value to him. I suggest the latter is going to be the likely outcome, but you can find this out for yourself by proposing the experiment and observing his reaction."
My comment at the time was as follows:
"Shane, it all comes from Egypt, once again. The star is Sirius which is equated with Horus/Iosa, the Egyptian Jesus.
We now have evidence that Egyptian astronomers were watching for the heliacal rising of Sirius - refer Robert Bauval's latest book, "The Egypt Code". Each year Sirius is not visible for about 70 days and they waited for it with great excitement. The longer Sothic Cycle takes 1,460 years and when this is due, you can imagine how the priest/astronomers must have really got worked up.
In 239CE, the Roman chronologist Censorius wrote that:
"The beginnngs of these years are always reckoned from the first day of that month which is called by the Egyptians Thoth, which happened this year upon the 7th of the kalends of July [25 June]. For a hundred years ago from the present year the same fell upon the 12th of the kalends of August [21 July], on which day Canicula [Sirius] regularly rises in Egypt."
Bauval: What Censorius was saying in so many words was that a Sothic Cycle began on 21 July AD 139, when 1 Thoth of the civil calendar (I Akhet 1), which was the first day of the new year, coincided with the heliacal rising of Sirius. A quick check with Starry Night Pro.V4 confirms that this statement is correct. Sirius did rise heliacally on 21 July according to the Julian calendar in the year AD139 as witnessd from the city of Alexandria, from where the observation was most probably made, since it was the capital city of Egypt at that time and the seat of learning and calendrical time-keeping. Censorius has thus provided future chronologists with an anchorage point from which othe Sothic cycles could be determined by subtracting increments of 1,460 years starting from the year AD 139. This gives us the dates of 1321 BC, 2781 BC, 4241 BC and so forth for the start of the Sothic cycles. It follows, therefore, that the Egyptian civil calendar must have started at one of these dates."
Malcolm: Bauval then goes on at some length to show that the First Time - Zep Tepi must have been 11,451 BC.
What gets me is that the bible scribes write off astronomers and then come up with the stupid story of the star of Bethlehem. As ever, when we search for the origin of the story it is altogether different."